Originally by: None Oftheabove

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Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 07:55:34
Why would the above make sense when:
* A Kitsune can jam an interceptor OR a battleship from the relative safety of 80km.

* A Hyena pilot moving at 4.5km/s and overheated webs @25km is a far greater threat to an interceptor than a Sentinel moving at 3km/s and neuts @20km. Yes, the Sentinel can go faster w/rigs and implants, but so can the Hyena.

The only thing the Sentinel has going for it is its drone bay, which is of minor importance in a gang where there are others able to dish out plenty of damage.

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Originally by: Delichon

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Don't look at the "54 cap per sec" thingy.
Sentinel delivers 300 cap penalty from 1 hit.

Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing.

Than you only need 1 neut to keep the inty dry.

If anything, I would fly a Sentinel over any other EAF.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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I'd love to see a kitsune try and take down a half decent cruiser solo.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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I would but I don't have a killboard atm. I'll try and drag up a kill someone else has done if I can find one. After having a quick flick through battle clinic to see if you have actually flown a sentinel no wonder you can't do anything with it. You have quite possibly the worst fit I've seen.

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Originally by: Zhecao Vai

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I have a little bit of experience flying the Sentinel around in gangs and in the fifth tournament, and I think that it's a fine gang ship. It can cruise around, apply TDs, and keep itself entertained by chasing interceptors and frigates around.

The Kitsune is probably more useful in protracted fights, but I would say that just represents the fact that ECM is stronger than other electronic warfare right now.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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You seem to be forgetting it can fit 3 bonused TD's which you put in the same class of usefulness as webs/tackle.

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Originally by: Megan Maynard

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You are probably one of the top three trolls on this forum. Seriously? If someone wants to fly one of these ships I highly suggest it, you will get on alot of kill mails and your gang buddies will be drooling over your ship after 2 hours of kicking ass.

All the EAS ships are exceptional for what they do.

Kitsune is not simply by far anything. It's a jamming ship.
Hyena webs and goes really damn fast.
Sentinal will make a pilot pay for not killing it first.
And the keres can damp someone below it's scram range. (Which is pretty cool btw.)

All the while these ships are EXTREMELY mobile, are hard to catch, and generally make a small gang much much nastier. Are the recons better? Yeah, but chances are you will be primaried as soon as you start fighting. In my rapier, yeah, they all come straight after me. In my hyena, they say oh ****, he's going 4500 and his buddies are messing me up.........................

Ignore Lyria. EAS V is the best skill I've ever trained.

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Originally by: L'Ame Immortelle

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On that note, the Curse sucks - don't primary it

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Originally by: Inertial

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The Curse is awesome solo. One of the few Recons that can solo a battleship. In case you didn't know this, most ships require cap to active tank, some ships require cap to fire, and this is where the curse comes in. The curse has the ability to remove that cap, meaning certain enemies doesn't get a chance to tank or fire their own weapons. This is a great way of killing of ships.

The sentinel works on the same premise, but in a smaller and more frail, but cheaper package. It doesn't remove as much cap as the Curse, and therefor needs to use more time to remove the cap.

As always, if the enemy got a capacitor booster, you sometimes have to wait for the enemy to run out, which means more time is needed, but when you are zooming 30 km out from the enemy at 3km/s+ the biggest problem is if they are going to bring in backup.

So... The idea of the Curse, Pilgrim, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu and Sentinel is: "If the enemy doesn't have any capacitor, the enemy won't tank very well". Passive armour tanks are of course a *****, but any and all ships got a weakness, and this is a weakness that can be overcome when facing ships that require cap to fire.

Knowing is half the battle.

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Originally by: Inertial

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It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.

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Originally by: Caelum Dominus

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Originally by: Inertial

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It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.

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Nevermind Lyria, she won't stop. ;)

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Originally by: Inertial

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Its basically the same with griefwatch, since me finding a solo BS kill by a curse relies on:

1: Finding a Alliance/Corp that uses Curses.

2. Finding a Alliance/Corp that fights against battleships.

3. Finding a Alliance/Corp where the Pilots flies solo.

4. The kill gotta be good, otherwise, I bet I would end up hearing "But the victim was crap fitted! This isn't proof".

And then there are other things that come in to play.

1. The kill needs to be solo, which means no other people on the killmail (f.ex. a random guy who got a shot in before the Curse vs. BS fight started)

Which makes it easy to see that me finding such kills are hard, actually near impossible if we take into consideration that I am not employed to find this ****, and I really like to actually play eve every now and then.

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Originally by: Inertial

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Huh? Nope... My point is that there is a few hundred needles in a huge fricking haystack, thousands... Millions of hayseeds, in this particular haystack, and you are asking me to pull out the few needles that are there... If I had a huge freaking magnet, then maybe, but this huge fricking magnet doesn't exist. Instead I only got a few mini magnets, that can only be used at a minimal part of the haystack, and even if the magnetic field passes over one of the needles, it may be made out of bone, or some other non magnetic material. That was my point.

Now, by not using your own killboard, or the killboards of anyone you know flies this ship, you are going to find me a solo kill done by each of the heavy Heavy Assault ships on a ship with similiar value:

Munin
Sacrilidge
Deimos
Eagle

You need 3/4, if you manage that within a couple of hours, without going to your own or your friends killboards, I'll accept your arguement that the reason I couldn't find the Curse killmail, is because there aren't any.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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I tell you what lyria. Seeing as if I post a killmail your most likely gona either a) say its a pile of bullcrap or b) say you could do the same in a t1 frig why doesn't one of us fight you.

I'm sure others apart from me in this thread would be happy to do this but if not then I will. Seeing as I'd be the agressor I think it's fair thats I have some say in what ship you fly (don't worry, I won't tell you to fight me in a osprey) and you can't fit specifically to combat my ship. Apart from that anything goes, just give me some idea of when your online.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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No, in a sentinel.

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Originally by: Pilgrippa

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Lyria is right. Curses suck. People should stop flying them

One of the problems I find with the sentinel is that it's too slow to outrun warriors.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:04:45

Originally by: Dheorl

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No, in a sentinel.

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And you want me in what? Like an omen?

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Meh, dunno, what ships do you fly?

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Originally by: Dheorl

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Dunno, BC could be an interesting challange. What bout a standard fit harb?

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Originally by: Caelum Dominus

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Fail... just... fail. Is that how you figured out that the Curse is crap, too, by bringing it up against something random and since you couldn't win it means the ship sucks? These forums ***** me up sometimes.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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Yes standard does mean no light drones and yes I will be using the fit I always use.

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Originally by: Dheorl

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If you feel it would be unfair with you in a harb i'd be happy to fight you in a maller seeing as this argument was originally about taking down a cruiser.

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Originally by: Caelum Dominus

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I've seen a Vagabond lose to a Crow, a Malediction lose to a Maulus and a Raven lose to a Wolf. That doesn't mean the ships are bad, as I'm sure most people can imagine. Have you really based your entire whining crusade on seeing a Curse lose to other ships?

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Originally by: Inertial

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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A harbinger has a web and kill pop your drones. Most of the cases you wouldnt be able to stop it from docking or getting back to the gate. It's not really realistic.

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The Sentinel have already killed your cap, so what are you killing his drones with?

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Originally by: Inertial

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Wait? It can't run a Neut or a Nos? It can't run a Tracking Distruptor? Please explain...

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Originally by: Dheorl

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Thats the point though. I wouldn't on purpsoe engage a cruiser which is likely to have t2 light drones. That still leaves me open to attack mallers, harbs and rax's with absolutly no worry of dying which also happen to all be reasonably common PvP ships. All they can do is sit there and try and pop my drones whilst they slowly die.

I can fight ships with drone bays if I don't expect the user to have decent drone skills which leave me still able to attack omens, caracals and moas (I could of course attack stuff like augorors but you never see them and yes you probably could kill them in a t1 frig)

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Originally by: AsfALT

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Idiotic and repetitive ideas based on... wait for it... nothing!

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It is very rarely that someone on a forum manages to convince me that he/she must be a complete moron...i generally have faith in the human brain... congratulations!

Your persistence is admirable tho!

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Originally by: Erotic Irony

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The essence of lyria's point is valid: in a shorter or smaller encounter, cap warfare, a concept still in its infancy, is worse than simply having more damage or speed because the latter immediately removes ships from play while cap war cripples but doesn't guarantee ship destruction.

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